Unstructured Data Under Siege
In today’s digital age, data is the lifeline of businesses. It drives decision-making, influences strategies, and unveils market insights that can propel any organization ahead of its competitors. However, much of this data is unstructured, creating challenges with data visibility, and making it more vulnerable to cyber attacks and insider threats.
The complexity of defending unstructured data from ransomware is a key obstacle hampering an organization's security posture. Protecting only the endpoints and employing network-centric tools, and device authentication is no longer sufficient. For organizations, it's imperative to deploy a holistic approach to data security, ensuring that the very essence of their business—its data—is safeguarded from these evolving threats.
Starting with Storage: Laying The Foundation for Robust Data Security
To protect against ransomware and other malicious threats, IT and Security leaders should look beyond endpoints. To achieve true ransomware resiliency, an organization needs to be able to detect attacks from within the data layer, block the activity, determine the scope of the affected systems, and recover quickly.
The Nutanix Data Lens™ SaaS-based data security solution helps proactively assess and mitigate unstructured data security risks by identifying anomalous activity, auditing user behavior, and adhering to monitoring requirements - all at the primary storage layer, where your data is stored. Additionally, global data visibility across clouds helps with intelligent decision-making and lifecycle management of unstructured data stored on the Nutanix Unified Storage™ (NUS) platform
The latest release packs powerful features for cyber resilience, permissions visualization, risk scoring, and support for the Nutanix Objects Storage™ product
What’s New Today?
Host: Andy Whiteside
Co-host: Philip Sellers
Co-host: Harvey Green
Co-host: Jirah Cox
Unstructured Data Under Siege
In today’s digital age, data is the lifeline of businesses. It drives decision-making, influences strategies, and unveils market insights that can propel any organization ahead of its competitors. However, much of this data is unstructured, creating challenges with data visibility, and making it more vulnerable to cyber attacks and insider threats.
The complexity of defending unstructured data from ransomware is a key obstacle hampering an organization's security posture. Protecting only the endpoints and employing network-centric tools, and device authentication is no longer sufficient. For organizations, it's imperative to deploy a holistic approach to data security, ensuring that the very essence of their business—its data—is safeguarded from these evolving threats.
Starting with Storage: Laying The Foundation for Robust Data Security
To protect against ransomware and other malicious threats, IT and Security leaders should look beyond endpoints. To achieve true ransomware resiliency, an organization needs to be able to detect attacks from within the data layer, block the activity, determine the scope of the affected systems, and recover quickly.
The Nutanix Data Lens™ SaaS-based data security solution helps proactively assess and mitigate unstructured data security risks by identifying anomalous activity, auditing user behavior, and adhering to monitoring requirements - all at the primary storage layer, where your data is stored. Additionally, global data visibility across clouds helps with intelligent decision-making and lifecycle management of unstructured data stored on the Nutanix Unified Storage™ (NUS) platform
The latest release packs powerful features for cyber resilience, permissions visualization, risk scoring, and support for the Nutanix Objects Storage™ product
What’s New Today?
Host: Andy Whiteside
Co-host: Philip Sellers
Co-host: Harvey Green
Co-host: Jirah Cox
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Andy Whiteside: Hi, everyone. Welcome to episode 76 of new tanks weekly. I'm your host
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Andy Whiteside: Andy, white side Podcast number 4 of the day and this is number 4. And the first 3, I forgot to say, the new tagline you guys ready
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Andy Whiteside: podcasting with context, cause, contacts, context matters. I love the blogs
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Andy Whiteside: I love. I love the blogs. But having this conversation with a group of people who, you know, passionately love the space and want to talk about it. That context is so valuable.
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Andy Whiteside: And I love that we do that. Phillip Sellers on from the Zintegr side. Phillip. How's it going
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Philip Sellers: good, Andy having a great afternoon. Looking forward to
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Andy Whiteside: to closing out the day. It's been a good day, so I asked Philip while I go. He's been on calls all day long with customers, and he gave me one example. What's the not county, the one you just had when you gave me, land, the last podcast what's the problem the customer was trying to solve. And and what pro? What problem did they bring?
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Philip Sellers: now, I'm trying to think of a good one. Talked with a customer earlier who
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Philip Sellers: we've got existing new tanks on vmware. And they are true believers. So we're helping them migrate and upgrade and scale out and consolidate. So I would file that under simplification. They're really place where
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Philip Sellers: they believe in the platform wholly. And they're they're simplifying overall
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Philip Sellers: operations down to to this way of working. So they're Aos, currently on Vm, where they're gonna go Aos on Hv clusters. They're gonna be collapsing in as well. All in super nuts, were they always true believers? Or they had to get one over.
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Philip Sellers: So yeah, I mean, it's it's an interesting thing we. We help them move. It's a medical customer, and so we help them move trying to get better performance out of their emr we've made multiple different
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Philip Sellers: improvements around the Emr helping with the database and how it runs on the back end. And so
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I think
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Philip Sellers: they were one over. I don't think they were true believers from the beginning. They were interested. Talk to other customers in the healthcare space and heard great things, and then out of the gate. It wasn't
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Andy Whiteside: fantastic for them, but we help them change the way they were running. Some things follow best practices, and now they get that same result, great performance and great great outcomes. A very common story, and when they finally come to their own understanding of what it is they want. It really makes that advisory type partnership thing make make a ton of sense
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Andy Whiteside: Harvey Green founder, co-founder of Zintegrick. Gov what's going on in Harvey's world
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Harvey Green III: a little bit of everything. Jerry and I were just talking about it. You.
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Harvey Green III: You're not at a conference today, I said, no, that's next week, and I know it's been last week. It's been a few weeks, but you're no longer in the basement, either.
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Harvey Green III: I am not I am upstairs in the kids playroom right now, which is fun I got. No, I got some some family that stand with me on and off. So it's funny in it. Normally you move upstairs, and that's an upgrade in this case. Not so much. Well, looks like a fun room.
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Andy Whiteside: Yeah, they have lots of fun. Same same question for you. What? What customer problem have you solved today.
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Harvey Green III: Today.
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Andy Whiteside: what? What problems did a customer bring? One problem that a customer brought today?
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Harvey Green III: Yeah. So talk with a customer earlier who was
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Harvey Green III: looking at options to help them move from on-prem to the cloud.
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Harvey Green III: And for them they don't really have a cloud footprint right now. So it was trying to figure out, you know. Not just like there's always a conversation on Prem to cloud. That sounds great, but you don't pick everything up and just move it. Is not that simple? So, having conversations with them to think about, you know what stays and what goes? What has to live on? Prem. What? What can go to? The cloud
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Harvey Green III: was a little enlightening for them.
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Harvey Green III: Because they did not think that they had to. They did not consider that they had to leave some things on Prem. So
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Harvey Green III: being able to talk to them about options that allow them to have
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Harvey Green III: on-prem resources and resources in the cloud of their choice
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Harvey Green III: but still be able to use a model that allows them to consolidate control over both in the same way, and not have to do everything all over again was super helpful for them.
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Andy Whiteside: And when you say Cloud, you talk about public cloud in this case.
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Harvey Green III: public.
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Andy Whiteside: But cloud in this case. Yes, yeah. Cause in in Zintigra world we literally could come pick the stuff up, put in a colo, and it would be cloud to them. Might, we might, could actually just pick the stuff up and move it. I know that's not the normal path. But if you, if you want that? Let us know. Cause that's that's possible.
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Andy Whiteside: Yeah. Gyro Cox gyra.
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Andy Whiteside: you about ready to move again.
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Andy Whiteside: We're we're staying here for a little while. What's what? First of all, how are you doing? Well, thank you. How are you doing? I'm I'm I'm busy, but good, good, busy.
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Andy Whiteside: good, busy.
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Andy Whiteside: fun busy. Have a good time. I guess. Same question you have. I'm sure you've been on 1,000. Well, 18 customer calls today. What? What problem was brought to you today? Asked to address, I met a new software vendor who has like a secure ot access solution.
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Jirah Cox: And they, because of a shared customer of ours, was trying to run that on Hv. For the first time walk them through. What does it look like, you know, they had a typical kind of vmware ova that they were used to giving their customers, and we kinda walk through some troubleshooting steps around, you know. Do you stuff the Ver I/O drivers in there, or does like your packaging process, remove those. There's some troubleshooting steps you can do on HD around booting the Vm. Even to like a de id disk mode.
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Jirah Cox: And so we kind of reviewed some of those
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Jirah Cox: troubleshooting steps, and ultimately I just want to spin up a lab and saying, Hey, here's an Hv. Cluster for 3 days. Go, you know, kick the tires on it, and use it to help streamline giving an Hv friendly image, or really just a Kvm from the image to your customers for rapid deployment. So cause I think I think their requests to run on top of HP are only gonna increase over time.
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Andy Whiteside: Ot stands for operational technology. Right? It does. Thank you. Sorry. So I was listed a podcast. Mostly security related this weekend and the guy started talking about, you know, we have all these client server networks that are very you know, very dangerous, potentially. But, man, if the bad guys ever figure out how to get into Ot networks in mass. Man, we're in trouble.
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Andy Whiteside: Yeah, so good that you were trying to help somebody in that space, and good that they're going to be able to run it on new tanics Aahv or vmware, or both.
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Jirah Cox: Cause we need that world to be very secure. Yeah, I was even running a boot camp last week for some customers, and showing them the latest version of prism central right, which we can do a later episode on that, even right there on the dashboard of PC. Puts a security dashboard around. Have you turned on Microsoft? If you turned on intrusion detection, you know, here's how to scan your clusters and map them to publish Cvs, you know. Really.
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Jirah Cox: kind of making it easy for customers to to decrypt.
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Jirah Cox: How secure is mighty phenomena's deployment? Yeah.
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Andy Whiteside: Well, you guys bought a blog for us through your day. Let me do my commercial real quick. If you're a new Tanks customer and you're not getting everything you can out of the platform. Because your existing partner is not
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Andy Whiteside: not bringing advisement to you. Let us know, cause that's what we do. That's why we do this podcast we also like doing it. We just happen to be nuts about space. But there's so much opportunity to help people. And if you're not getting the value out of new tanks platform, it's not the platform, it's you that's really not in you. It's your partner, and we would love to kind of up that game for you. Alright, Jair, I'm gonna read the name of the blog from October fourth to 2023. So very recent. And then I'm gonna ask you to pronounce the name of the authors ready.
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Andy Whiteside: The blog is beyond ransom and recovery. Defend your data proactively with new tanics data lens. I'm excited to talk about that. And this was written by
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Jirah Cox: by Sneha and Tahina from our fowls team.
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Andy Whiteside: Alright, I'm not Gonna let you off. That easy last names.
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Jirah Cox: I think. Has last name is Cheddar Vadula and Tahina Goyal.
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Andy Whiteside: Okay? Well, I must admit that was pretty impressive. I thought I was gonna stump you pretty hard, but
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Andy Whiteside: blew right through that. They would chase them down in the building the next time he was there. Alright Jair! Why this blog? Why today?
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Jirah Cox: We already talked about it? Because it's sort of topical and evergreen for customers right? Like security matters. So ransomware threats as usual, only increasing, not really decreasing. Those guys don't take a day off
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Jirah Cox: for the long time. Listeners. Good example of a bad style of automation and so the worth protecting against. Yeah. Well, good thing is, we got AI to the rescue right?
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Andy Whiteside: Is that gonna help us or help them more.
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Jirah Cox: Why not both?
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Andy Whiteside: What's good for the goose?
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Andy Whiteside: Alright! First section talks about unstructured data under siege. I'll let you discuss that, and then we'll have
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Jirah Cox: I think the key points here that the the articles making are, of course, like everyone has unstructured data. It's like required data for the business get gets mined. For, you know, stuff like customer interactions or fed into Kb, articles this data that you know is living on some file share somewhere that hopefully, you're monetizing and isn't just like some ball of data that you have to preserve from now until the heat death of the universe.
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Jirah Cox: But as a result of that data having value to you, that data has value to attackers as well. Right enter Ransomware into the world we live in. And how do we help our customers elevate their security posture against those kind of threats.
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Andy Whiteside: Yeah, I use the following example, talking to my kids, whoever unstructured data that the little grocery thing you scan. So you get the discounts at the grocery store. All that stuff goes somewhere, and I'm sure the grocery store and all the vendors are finding ways to monetize that that data
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Jirah Cox: this past weekend. I was like, how many stores can you walk into now and give them like your phone number? And they can pull up like your last receipt last transaction for like an easy swap, but like
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Jirah Cox: what an amount of data to have to store and be able to pull back up so quickly that, like in the world we grew up in, that wasn't a thing like Oh, you lost this piece of paper. Sorry no return or exchange for you back 2 days later for more toilet paper
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Philip Sellers: during the pandemic, the amount of rich data they were getting because people had switched to their Loyalty program and their mobile app and mobile ordering. They went through and renovated all their stores, and that's become their standard. I mean, completely pivoted their
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Philip Sellers: way of doing business, because the richness of the data, the data profiles. How often someone eats what they eat, how to turn. I mean, yeah, talk about the
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Philip Sellers: I mean absolute definition of monetizing your data.
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Andy Whiteside: Yeah. yeah. Keep waiting for the little lady with the samples. I come around the corner and she knows me by name and wonders why I'm 5 min later, and I'm not normally
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Andy Whiteside: Harvey, any comments on unstructured data being under attack.
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Harvey Green III: No, I mean.
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Harvey Green III: I think that we've kind of hit that pretty well. You can see that it definitely has value to the organization. And because it has value to the organization, it becomes
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Harvey Green III: something that they might have to might want to, or I might have to pay for to get back.
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Andy Whiteside: Alright, jyra! Next section says, starting with storage, layering the foundation for robust data security. What does that mean?
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Jirah Cox: pivoting in here into a view point of view around like defense in depth is the, you know, kind of the standard in the environment here. And you know one phrase that the articles you're about, you know it, and security leaders should look beyond endpoints. It's interesting. I would even expand upon that to say you know, endpoints are important, too.
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Jirah Cox: but of course, producing the the data source itself is which, of course, what we're focusing on today is also a key part of that puzzle. Right? So like everything matters right? Like the the file server in in this case, like mechanics files, we'll talk about and objects that can host the data itself like security. There detection. There matters recovery there matters
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Jirah Cox: but detection on the endpoints, detection at the edge. All of these things, you know, are what contribute to an environment that lets you as the environment owner, as the administrator like sleep better at night.
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Andy Whiteside: Yeah, I look at all the different layers. And II know I can't say this like I kinda just want to give up. But
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Andy Whiteside: you can't do that, you gotta. You gotta cover the different layers the best way possible, and you stack it all up and make a big, nice security cake. Don't you give up? That's when the bad guys win. So yeah.
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Jirah Cox: we don't. We? Don't negotiate with terrorists, Eddie.
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Andy Whiteside: I didn't say negotiate just to give up and that's just a joke. Please don't take me for that being serious. That's I have have people for that. People that love doing that. That's why.
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Andy Whiteside: I just like talking about it. Harvey thoughts on the the layering of security.
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Harvey Green III: I mean, obviously, you. You definitely want more layers in your security cake, as you put it.
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Harvey Green III: Ii think, being able to have a a service like data lens is, you know, way way past just the topic we're talking about. But just just for ransomware and be able to being able to detect things quickly
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Andy Whiteside: without having your eyes be the detection method is definitely a plus. Yeah. No way the human can keep up with close to what they need is really fill up your thoughts on layering and specifically, data being the foundational layer.
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Philip Sellers: Well, what I like about this is, it's so close to the data itself. Right? You know.
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Philip Sellers: I've I've heard other solutions, particularly in the backup space, also do the same thing. They watch the data set. And
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Philip Sellers: this is gonna become the standard you have to have something watching your unstructured data.
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Philip Sellers: I remember
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Philip Sellers: companies like Baroness coming in and talking to me, you know, a decade ago and going. That's nice to have. But I don't know if I have a unstructured problem big enough to to buy software like that, I think we've completely changed. And today you absolutely need data analytics around your unstructured data because of branch where
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Philip Sellers: in particular.
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Jirah Cox: yeah. And to be fair, like, I would love for my customers to have you know inspection monitoring of the data itself and the backups right? Like, it's almost moving into a world where monitoring for ransomware is everyone's job, meaning every humans job. But every piece of technology's job as well. Right like we're better together.
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Jirah Cox: but for sure. And and so, like the lay, the the layer of the cake we're adding on this one or focusing on this new feature of it is data lens, right? So like, of course, the the data itself lives in Newtonix files wherever you run the cluster. Right? Of course, on Prem in its integrity data center in a Colo
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Jirah Cox: you know, across the street, in the cloud anywhere. And then data lens is the sas component of that right? So you have monitoring
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Jirah Cox: embedded in the file server. You have analytics about that running as a sas service. So that's the the the always seeing. I never sleeping. Observability of that data, saying what looks normal here, what looks irregular here.
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Philip Sellers: you, you talk about this fence and depth, you know each one of these layers has its own perspective, too. We need to have a perspective from the endpoint. We need to have a perspective from
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Philip Sellers: the file servers itself. We need to have a perspective from the backups. Each one of those has benefits to be able to monitor, you know, from the endpoint we get to see where something, maybe trying to talk, and what targets and things, you know. So again. If you talk about defense and depth, think about the different perspectives that you need to give you good visibility.
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Andy Whiteside: Yep.
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Andy Whiteside: So it the next part of the blog talks about what's new today. And I'm just gonna run through these and we'll break them down. Threat, containment window, one click, recovery permissions and risk visualization and object support. Java. The first one says preemptively, detect and block attacks. Yeah, so this is pretty cool. Now, sort of stating the
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Jirah Cox: the the sla we call. We used to hear the window right? Like, how frequently, how quickly can data lens the the monitoring Sas service
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Jirah Cox: catch something going on in the environment, right? So now, we're actually coming out and saying, that's 20 min now
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Jirah Cox: for data lens catching and really actually be able to respond to as well. That action right? So it uses lots of kind of stuff can do here. Right? Uses signatures like signatures on the files itself.
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Jirah Cox: but also like user behaviors. Right? So like, IP, user connectivity details, file activity. And then we say also, like behavioral detection markers, right? So we can kind of fingerprint what looks like a regular usage of the file server. What looks like, you know, automated bad guys kind of like, you know, ransomware, malware kind of stuff.
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Andy Whiteside: quick question for you, Jay. Right? And I should know this. But is data lens? Is that something you guys acquired or something you developed in house. That one is totally developed in house. That was a net new
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Andy Whiteside: non acquired Sas service. Yeah, that's awesome. Philip. Thoughts on preemptively detecting the block attacks.
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Philip Sellers: Well, what I like about this is is that as it detects, it's also helping us with that snapshot like
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Philip Sellers: that. It's it's giving us an extra safety net. You know, something anomalistic happened. It's reacting faster than a human can. And so
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Philip Sellers: that that's something we can't compete with. And so having that one click restore which we'll talk about next. But I mean, that response is is huge. I mean, we we can't replicate that in human.
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Andy Whiteside: Yeah, I I guess this will make sense. I was talking to by the day about how to teach someone to drive a manual transmission car, and their response was, no matter what happens if something doesn't seem right pushing the clutch.
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Andy Whiteside: I like, you know, that's that's probably accurate. So in this case, if something doesn't seem right.
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Andy Whiteside: start the snapshot. Is that what we're talking about here?
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Jirah Cox: The analogy breaks down. But no, the not not take a snapshot, but more like the snapshots are always occurring right? So therefore, this is that ability to say, whenever you notice something go going wrong, the clutches already been pushed in
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Harvey Green III: when it when the product went from a security monitor to actual security guard before it would just tell you, hey, there's a problem, and then depend on you to go take actions. Now it is taking action for you and giving you options which you know I always like.
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Jirah Cox: The cool thing is Harvey, I can, I can think back to you. And I Podcasting about this basically day. It was announced at next. And now, like less than 6 months later. Here it is fully Ga for our customers.
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Jirah Cox: The one code recovery talks about. Since we have these snapshots that we're taking all the time we can take snapshots at like lots of levels we can do in guest, right in file system snapshots of the files themselves. We can also snapshot the entire file server at the Aos level and do phone stuff with that.
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Philip Sellers: sure, you know, we when we redid our Dr at my last organization, we call the process the big red button kind of like the staples. Easy button, right? And that's what I think of here. One click recovery is that easy button
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Jirah Cox: III scroll past it pretty fast. I saw a report that was listing like, where in the Us. Is it even for our Us. Audience? Where in the Us. Is it even legal to pay a ransom for ransomware. It's actually like most states, it's actually federally illegal like, you're not allowed to right. Because, of course, if you are allowed to that, just simply rewards the attacker and makes them go find some other victim
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Harvey Green III: Hey? Just everybody. Sit still, and I'll touch anything for a couple minutes, and you'll have everything back.
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Philip Sellers: but just restoring. I mean, that could be multiple weeks work effort depending on your backup strategy depending on what you have available to you. So I mean, this is a huge accelerator.
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Harvey Green III: once you figure out when the issue started. You can go back to when you know it wasn't present. And then, you know, because it was never written to since the first time it was written.
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Harvey Green III: is also, you know, easy to see visually pleasing, and gives you risk scores and places to go. Look, hey! This this might look a little different than what you know what you're used to, or hey? You might want to pay attention to this like, Hey, that gives a lot of value in a in a very small package here. Yeah, here's what I see, confirm. This is intentional.
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Philip Sellers: Well, and I'll I'll actually take it a slightly different direction with that story. You know, a few years ago, working for an organization that decided to turn on sharepoint universal search and pointed it at file shares and because they were overly permissive. Well.
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Philip Sellers: As we move forward with new technologies, it can also become a a discovery risk within your organization where you know, there may be any, any rule on a file share, and who knows what someone's put in there? I mean, any kind of confidential information could end up on that share. So
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Philip Sellers: And it still makes me cringe. Yeah, for those who who couldn't see Harvey Space. He kinda looked like from home alone, with his hands and his face in between.
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Harvey Green III: Oh, my gosh! I'm sure it was like put in there just for troubleshooting. It's just temporary, it won't. That won't stick around Number 4 support for in us
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Jirah Cox: go ahead totally right. Storage for your application, no matter how your application wants to consume it right across across any of those 4 protocols. So within the nest family. Right? Then, we have specific products, right? Like files and objects and volumes depending. What protocol you've got. So that's that's what? That is enough objects there. Andy. But yeah, so with this, right? Like some of the the great things we've had for years and files on the Smb and Nfs side of the house
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Jirah Cox: opposite, you know. Show me if I give you a user, what has that user done in the last day week? Couple of weeks? Very useful if someone you know you know, has access to sensitive data turns in their notice, like, Okay, great. Well, hey? Let me know what you've done. Let's go. Look now, see, we've done our last 2 weeks what might be walking out the door with you.
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Jirah Cox: So these kind of activity, tracking and even anomaly identifications now come to objects as well. So this screenshot that we're showing here talks about stuff like audit trails around what's been done to a certain bucket bucket being akin to like an kind of folder, or even like uses trending right like, what's growing? Where's my data going? What are the consumers of a given type of like data store?
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Philip Sellers: I don't know. Preparing for the future. II called it that an earlier podcast today. So feel like this is one of those things that is preparing for the future.
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Andy Whiteside: Future can need lots of preparation.
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Harvey Green III: II would just like to point out that at the end of this article, it talks about how you can get started for a year free on data lens. So if you are a new tanks, unified storage, new tanics, files and tennis objects customer today. And you are not using data lens. Let's fix that
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Jirah Cox: for free. You just go call this to action.
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Andy Whiteside: Well, and that's how we end this every time. So neutanics makes it super easy to test. Drive this stuff and get engaged with the partner sales team the Nutan sales team and really just take it for test. Drive yourself.
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Andy Whiteside: So, Ira, I'm assuming you would recommend that
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Jirah Cox: 100. Yeah, it cause nice thing. Is it something to install? Right? If you're already running files today on Prem, this is a Sas service you connect to it. There's literally no, literally nothing to deploy right? So just turn it on. Get the value out of it. Get that inspection that that doesn't sleep right, that watches what's going on within the file server, you know.
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Andy Whiteside: I don't. It's a good question. I don't believe it requires PC. Inherently.
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Jirah Cox: between this role and my previous role, like, I've had one customer who's been on file since the day one release right. And I should just check some of the phone home data. They're still on files. 9 years later. And I just think like what? How, what a transformative amount of value we've put into that offering from 9 years ago. I'm not gonna say bare bones, minimum viable smb, file share offering.
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Jirah Cox: But you'd be justified in thinking of that 9 years ago to now what it is now, with dramatic performance, amazing availability. Super easy, powerful low latency. Dr. Replication right into it. And now, really going on the offense against ransomware as well helping make sure your data stays your data and stays online and available. I just think it's it's super cool stuff. I love you just coded all good offense. I mean, that's that's the only only answer here is to be on the offensive. And
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Philip Sellers: absolutely. I mean, you know, if if we look at this technology and look at others. Similar cloud based. And that's where the Ml. And the AI datasets can really become powerful and helping pinpoint problems beforehand. I mean, we use it a lot and
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Philip Sellers: hardware anomaly detection and support proactive support programs. I can see this continuing to to provide value as as more and more things get developed on the platform to to help you identify the problems before you know their problems.
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Harvey Green III: I'm just customer not using us. Let's fix that. If you're a lieutenant's customer, you're not using unified storage.
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Harvey Green III: who would say, No, I don't want something looking to protect me from ransomware. That's crazy talk.
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Harvey Green III: Alright. That's just not the way things should be today. Well, and as we talked about here, it's something helping me protect me against ransomware at all the different layers
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Andy Whiteside: Well, gentlemen, thank you for the time and helping me with the context, I appreciate it as always, and look forward to doing this again. What? In 2 weeks? Hey, Gyre! You know what you mentioned your new role a minute ago, and what? What? I've stopped asking you in the beginning of the podcast what your current role is, what is that new role?
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Jirah Cox: Does that mention? I'm a new role. Oh, I just oh, I see, I'm sorry about yeah having customers. So in my current role. So I just get to have conversations like these now across the country, right? So I cover, I mean, enroll that covers the Americas, helping customers. Understand the portfolio. What can we do for them solve problems. And even architecturally, like, you know, get to designs. But how do we do this at scale for customers in very, very large environments.
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Andy Whiteside: No, that's awesome. Alright guys, thank you for the time, and we'll pick it up again next time.
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