Nutanix Weekly: The Critical Role of Hybrid Multicloud

The pivot to a hybrid multicloud environment must form part of a CIO’s infrastructure strategy to take full advantage of next-generation solutions.

The key for CIO’s and other C-level executives is to plan for and enable this critical eventuality in their enterprise. The compelling business case for adopting the shift to hybrid multicloud is highlighted in the sixth annual Enterprise Cloud Index (ECI) report.

The findings of the ECI report reveal a notable increase in the planned deployment of hybrid multicloud infrastructure, which spans private IT infrastructure (on-premises and hosted), public clouds and edge locations.

Host: Phil Sellers
Co-Host: Harvey Green
Co-Host: Jirah Cox 

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Philip Sellers: Hello and welcome to another episode of Nutanix Weekly one of the many XenTegra Podcasts with context, I'm, your host, Phil sellers. And just wanna say, hope you're having a great afternoon or great morning whenever you happen to be listening. And we thank you for spending a little time with us today.

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Philip Sellers: We call these podcasts with context, because we try to bring the real life real speak to you here

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Philip Sellers: every episode. And so speaking, real I've got 2 great guests with me or co-host with me, and we've got Jirah Cox from

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Philip Sellers: Nutanix. Jirah, how are you doing today?

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Jirah Cox: Good man. I know you were talking to the audience, but I'm also having a great afternoon over here.

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Philip Sellers: I know it's not so bad other than a little bit drizzly outside, and so that makes it a little

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Philip Sellers: not as not as good as if it was sunshine.

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Jirah Cox: It's refreshing.

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Philip Sellers: We need the showers to bring the flowers, I guess. And that how the saying goes

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Philip Sellers: we're also joined with Harvey Green, our CEO of XenTegra-GOV. Harvey, how are things going in your world today?

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Harvey Green III: They are going pretty well.

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Harvey Green III: very busy, but pretty well. I'll take it.

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Philip Sellers: Yeah, we're the 3 amigos of busy. I will say that I no.

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Philip Sellers: I know we hit the road a fair amount. Between conferences and other events and things that we're participating in, and just the day to day.

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Philip Sellers: Harvey is my I guess, Scout, I don't know. Like Sherpa, maybe he showed you the link.

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Harvey Green III: I don't.

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Philip Sellers: Making sure I take care of myself, so I appreciate him and his concern for that. I know. Between the busy we all struggle with

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Philip Sellers: just keeping up with what's required.

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Harvey Green III: Yes.

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Harvey Green III: yes.

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Philip Sellers: Well, speaking of keeping up we've got a a really cool, interesting blog to talk about today.

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Philip Sellers: the critical role of hybrid multi cloud.

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Philip Sellers: this blog comes from a

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Philip Sellers: annual Nutanix. Enter Enterprise cloud Index report.

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Philip Sellers: Jirah. I'm gonna throw it to you. What in the world is an annual Nutanix. Enterprise Cloud Index Report?

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Jirah Cox: So well, I might not do it might not do it full justice here. But you know, as you might have heard, we've run 6 of them so far. And so, you know, we get a lot of questions from customers around like, what what are we seeing in industry industry trends right? So it's a really good way to capture that encapsulated and feedback sort of the the most critical, most actionable parts of that back to our customers and prospects. Right to help

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Jirah Cox: share like this is what we're seeing. This is how we help address these challenges out in the field.

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Philip Sellers: That's awesome. Yeah, I mean, so really, it's it's there for addressing customer problems is what I'm kinda hearing as a takeaway where

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Philip Sellers: we're basing this report all around feedback from customers.

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Jirah Cox: Yeah, totally true. Of course, right customer feedback is is huge, right? It's customer feedback is one of the number one contributors to help shape even what the platform looks like to date. Right? Like we, we super value customer feedback and enhancement requests and then also, in, you know, the cloud operating model. I'm just riffing now, like, this isn't in the blog post. The cloud operating model is how you use it, not just what it does right? And so

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Jirah Cox: there's a technology and a people and a process kind of component to how those all kind of fit together. And so there is what it does, but there was also how you use it, and how you help your teams get prepped to to use the platform as well. So it all adds up.

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Philip Sellers: Yeah. And and you know, like you said, I mean, I think when when we first started hearing about Cloud, we we definitely thought it was a destination. Right? We're going to the cloud.

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Philip Sellers: And you know, today, I think the more accepted truth is, it's an operating model, right? It's about

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Philip Sellers: consuming things through Api programmatically. Doing things at scale with high amounts of automation.

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Philip Sellers: It's refactoring applications to

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Philip Sellers: the data layer and separating things out and and making them, you know, replaceable and independent.

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Philip Sellers: Th. Those are the things I think of when I think of cloud

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Jirah Cox: Probably good pivot into the first point around. How so? The first point being hybrid multi cloud infrastructure deployments will become a standard for infrastructure right? And so it even cites a data point about 90% which I'm trying to think of any survey you would give to any bunch of it leadership that would get the 90% like that's that's

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Jirah Cox: a rounding error close to 100%, right? Like you always have some outliers. But that's about as long as a candle can be on the chart. I I think

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Jirah Cox: so, 90%. That's that's like the 9 out of 10 dentists, right? The tenth dentist always wants to do what he wants to do.

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Jirah Cox: Is are adopting cloud smart strategies. Right? So that to your point, Phil, I think, is that pivot from

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Jirah Cox: from, you know, a number of years ago. Right? That event, that assumption of eventuality, everything went to be clouded. Given a long enough timeframe to

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Jirah Cox: some things are a fantastic fit for cloud. Some things will probably almost never be a good fit for cloud, and I have to manage both, as my organization's hybrid multi cloud platform, right? So that that

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Jirah Cox: reconciliation of like we have to kind of do both, and help customers do both with as much synergy between them as we can.

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Philip Sellers: Yeah, I hate to be a throwback, but you know that that was something we we heard a term for, or people coined a term, for by modal, you know.

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Jirah Cox: Yeah.

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Philip Sellers: Old way of of operating the old mode of operating, and then the new mode of operating cloud mode

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Philip Sellers: and so, you know, really is realizing that by modal world.

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Jirah Cox: It's it's interesting how we

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Jirah Cox: go the cut. The the article goes on to call out that about half

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Jirah Cox: leaders that say that cloud from cloud smart is the strategy to to pursue. Only half right. Now apply a employ a hybrid or multi cloud model, right? 46%. So that kind of shows where the thoughts going. But where a lot of the work is left to do, I think.

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Jirah Cox: yeah, right.

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Philip Sellers: I'm I'm very curious about the Cxo on the call with us, since you know this was takeaways from other Cxos. Mr. CEO!

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Philip Sellers: what are you seeing as you work with customers and stuff? I mean.

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Philip Sellers: my take is, this isn't easy.

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Philip Sellers: and and your customers, you know

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Philip Sellers: there's there's even a more challenging operating environment. I feel like.

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Harvey Green III: Oh, yeah, absolutely. There are

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Harvey Green III: lots of different standards and things that that still have to be a part of the conversation.

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Harvey Green III: You.

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Harvey Green III: You have the, I guess, the bigger part of the conversation where you start, which is, you know, we want to have these things run in different places, and that all sounds great.

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Harvey Green III: But then you start talking to the people who are in charge of securing all of those different things, and you know they don't want it in 10 places.

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Harvey Green III: They they would love to have it in one. But let's talk about 2, maybe 3. Let's not talk about 10. Let's not start the conversation that way. So that begins another piece of the conversation. And then, you know, continuing down the line every time you hit a different set of people with a different set of needs. You know, that helps shape the conversation, and that as to Drier's point of why there's so much work to be done here.

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Harvey Green III: It's it's easy to say yes, we should do this.

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Harvey Green III: but the doing it is the harder part.

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Philip Sellers: You know it's funny. As you were talking about that I I was reminded, you know, when when we were having our second child.

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Philip Sellers: and people would come up to us and be like, you know. They say, you know, having a second child's not double the work. It's triple the work, and having all of these different points of presence, all these different clouds and places that that definitely feels like

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Philip Sellers: a compounding or a multiplying problem.

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Philip Sellers: To secure, to to make it efficient. So

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Philip Sellers: you know, when we talk about Newtonics, you know, I think it's

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Philip Sellers: it's important that that operating model.

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Philip Sellers: the way you secure things. The way you do things is the same across multiple environments. I mean that that's how you make this hybrid multi cloud

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Philip Sellers: palatable for your security officers for your operations. Teams?

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Philip Sellers: You know, it's it's the way that

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Philip Sellers: that we end up actually making this come to fruition

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Philip Sellers: but.

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Jirah Cox: Apologies. If you are going to be in a meeting with me in the future, and you hear me still that analogy from Phil, because I think it's it's spot on right, like, if you're doing it right. You know your your third cloud and fourth cloud presence is easier, right? Because you. Probably, if you're doing it right, you cut your teeth and build all the muscle memory on getting your standards in place on the second one. Right.

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Philip Sellers: If you didn't.

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Harvey Green III: Treat.

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Jirah Cox: This gets much more interesting, real fast. But yeah, that's a that's a very apt analogy.

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Harvey Green III: So Phil, fif, 1520 kids.

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Philip Sellers: No, we stopped. It gets easier for the second one, you know. Yeah, I was. Gonna say, maybe it does.

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Jirah Cox: 's over.

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Philip Sellers: Easier, right? But we we stopped it, too. Cause, you know, it's

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Philip Sellers: it's more more than double the work. So.

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Jirah Cox: There's more considerations in play, right? The analogy, the analogy holds true.

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Philip Sellers: I was. Gonna say, the analogy breaks down when you apply it to me. So

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Philip Sellers: you know it. It's interesting the next key takeaway is one I think we're all really probably more aware of more involved with than we care to be. Right

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Philip Sellers: Harvey, I'm gonna throw it to you. I mean, ransomware is a big challenge. Actually, I could be reading this ransomware is a serious challenge.

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Harvey Green III: Yes, yes, it is.

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Harvey Green III: Huh!

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Harvey Green III: You know it's it's the one, I guess the one thing that continues to hang out there

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Harvey Green III: that has no real end insight, even though it is.

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Harvey Green III: both, somewhat presentable, somewhat preventable

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Harvey Green III: You're able to recover from it.

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Harvey Green III: but it still continues to be such a huge issue, because.

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Harvey Green III: just like the last bullet point, there, there's so much work

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Harvey Green III: to be done that has not been done

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Harvey Green III: this time. It is for

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Harvey Green III: much different reasons. But

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Harvey Green III: the case still remains to be the same. There's still a lot of work that has not been done to secure against ransomware.

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Harvey Green III: So I know that.

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Harvey Green III: You know we're talking through that here. I know that we have plenty of things that the Tanics provides to help from a ransomware standpoint. But

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Harvey Green III: again, a lot of work to be done here.

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Jirah Cox: So I had to walk back. My previous statement around, you know, 90% is as much consensus as you find around. You know, anybody in technology. This this proves me certainly wrong, right? It was stats here around, like, you know, ransomware being basically top security concern for 92% of businesses.

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Jirah Cox: And then 96% saying, You know, this is significantly impacted, the business right? So that that that shows you the only thing more important than being cloud smart is addressing Ransomware head on right and and getting prepared for that.

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Jirah Cox: Couldn't agree more, of course. Right? I see it from customers all the time that that focusing on preventing stuff before I can take root, reacting quickly. Once it does is the best, is the one of the key. Most key considerations for any kind of new platform. Right? Help me help me make this simpler for the business.

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Harvey Green III: Yeah, I would add to the article calls out that 89% of companies

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Harvey Green III: have faced at least one ransomware attack in the past 3 years. 89%.

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Jirah Cox: Well, you know what I've heard. I've heard 89% of customers have humans using the computers on the network.

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Harvey Green III: Right. It's.

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Jirah Cox: When we can solve that problem.

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Philip Sellers: Wait, this can.

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Jirah Cox: That's way simpler. But until that such time

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Jirah Cox: it's gonna stay a problem right.

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Philip Sellers: Well, and about it, too, you know. Yes, the human factor is is a huge thing here, but so is the ripple effect. I was

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Philip Sellers: cruising through either Twitter or Linkedin the other night. And I saw someone who had commented about their healthcare provider being impacted by the ransomware attack of another healthcare provider.

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Philip Sellers: this, this is a huge deal. So even if if this is only, you know, 11%, I guess, of companies that haven't faced a ransomware. They've still been affected by it in some way, shape or form, by doing business with someone who has. And so it is an everybody problem.

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Harvey Green III: Yeah, I would kind of argue that that 11 has either been extremely lucky or just started

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Philip Sellers: No. And and you know, that's that's the reality of it, too. I mean, I remember,

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Philip Sellers: a phone maker was infected for 11 years prior to it being exposed that they had been

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Philip Sellers: And and I think that's the scary thing, which means

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Philip Sellers: there's truth to changing your posture. Your posture should be ex. Expect that you've been breached and do things based on that that assumption, not the assumption that you're secure.

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Jirah Cox: Sometimes, you know.

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Jirah Cox: there's always no environment is perfect, right? They've always we're always sort of asymptotically approaching

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Jirah Cox: perfection if we can.

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Jirah Cox: And sometimes customers don't wonder like, okay, but what's the value drier of being able to like rebuild a mostly static environment? You know, from scripts, right from scratch like. When when would I ever need to do that? I've got backups? I've got Dr. Copies, and it's like, Well, what if you learned you were infected 11 years ago. Right? And all your backups are also suspect.

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Jirah Cox: You have to go total, like from Iso for everything tomorrow. How quickly are you back in business, and that's that's terrifying.

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Philip Sellers: Yeah. E, even sometimes failing to your Dr. Site is terrifying, right? You know. Because what if you can't rep, you know, replicate it back. What if you there's all these questions. And so preparedness is is a huge thing.

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Philip Sellers: let's let's move on to point number 3. Cxos identified data and applications continue to move in search of an equilibrium

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Harvey Green III: Hmm!

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Harvey Green III: That's also a big

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Harvey Green III: you know, as as we talk about the different places that you can host things, the different ways that you can host things.

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Harvey Green III: and you know you start to move from a conversation about

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Harvey Green III: where you host things to why you host them in certain places, and then getting to the point where you figure out which workloads make the most sense in which places

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Harvey Green III: ultimately, that's kind of the evolution of that. And I I

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Harvey Green III: I think that's you know what the the writers referring to when they talk about equilibrium, right? Getting to a point where the right things are in the right places.

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Jirah Cox: Yeah, I mean, our our founder used to talk about. You know, data has gravity right? And being able to, you know, run your cloud operating model

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Jirah Cox: to success. Right? Like, when I need to do analytics on data. Well, where's that data stored

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Jirah Cox: with all the various variables accounted for right performance security, governance. You know, accessibility to my analytics suite right? Think about every flavor of AI right now, wanting access to your data so it can show you back more relevant

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Jirah Cox: stats right? And that adds 10 other knock on decisions or results right around like, which cloud are you gonna be in? What software will you get to use? Who gets to access it within the business unit? And what tools do they use. It's it's nothing is made in a vacuum, right? But

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Jirah Cox: but one of the biggest, one of the longest polls in the tent by far is like, where's the data? Live? Where's the best place that? Where's the best place for the data to live? Where's the best place for the application to run? And Kit, we know, is there. Overlap in that Venn diagram right?

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Philip Sellers: Yeah. And and I like the way that it wraps this up, too, is, is you want that while also ensuring flexibility and visibility, that visibility piece is a huge part of this, too. So it's not just a matter of destination. It's also a matter of inspection, and knowing what's going on, and and making sure that things are working appropriately.

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Jirah Cox: Yeah. Well, flexibility

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Jirah Cox: reminds me, just as a key

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Jirah Cox: reminder around. There's elements there like avoiding lock in. There's elements there of agility, right of like when something, you know, when you read a headline that changes your equation. For where something should live, how quickly can you adapt to that new, normal, right cause like it feels like

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Jirah Cox: almost monthly or even weekly. Nowadays. We're learning about.

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Jirah Cox: you know, factors in the macro environment that make us want to vet reevaluate how we do things with technology.

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Harvey Green III: Absolutely that

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Harvey Green III: that's been so far and and it happens to your point so often that at this point you know you again, are you here? You guys hear me talk about it all the time you you have to design with flexibility in mind. You have to design with resiliency in mind.

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Philip Sellers: Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean, the the responsibility hasn't changed. I mean, I think internal it is is faced now with possibly work

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Philip Sellers: Next up Cxos identified sustainability initiatives that drive infrastructure, modernization and migration. You know, this is one that's near and dear to my wife's heart. This is the the area she works in. And that is something that I've seen change over the last decade so many organizations now do have sustainability initiatives to reduce their carbon footprints to

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Philip Sellers: Yeah, and we'll be separate. I'll make sure. She listens to this Harvey.

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Philip Sellers: and and Jyra. You teed us up perfectly for point number 5, AI solution adoption will drive infrastructure. Modernization.

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Jirah Cox: Yeah. Well, and you know, of course, we say we see it in the headlines all the time. Right? AI, AI is probably, as I say, this 20 things right now, by the end of the year, could be 30 different things right? But even that it's a whole brave new frontier right around learning, you know, Lms versus reg versus all these other various things. And what's the right way to

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Jirah Cox: learn about that? Adopt that, deploy that govern that and then put that ultimately to use for the business right? Like help that help us run the business better right? Either increase top line increase bottom line reduce risk. You know, all the standard like, you know. Be a good corporate citizen type of initiatives. But yeah, it is. It is

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Jirah Cox: AI helps our Co. Our company initiatives as an evaluation. There's more co-learning together right around. Here's what we're seeing. Other customers doing are these kind of outcomes applicable to you, mister, or Mrs. Customer? Right? So there's more, there's more co-learning. There's kind of more openness, because it's just. It's still such early days

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Philip Sellers: the economics are changing of being able to do this on Prem, closer to your data. Perhaps we, we talked about that data having gravity, gravity. I love that saying, I say that a lot.

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Jirah Cox: Well, and it really I can. I can see where the article doesn't quite draw this line to it, but it stacks on top of everything else. We've done right running anywhere, right? As part of your hybrid multi cloud, you know, touching data which, of course, is a ransomware target right supporting apps and data where they need to run right and and following that data gravity. And of course, doing all of that sustainably right, it almost becomes kind of the culmination of everything we've talked about so far.

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Harvey Green III: And when you can have that conversation, and and still be able to secure it within, you know your virtual borders there, that makes a huge difference. And so that that's where I would say, is kind of the the biggest conversation about what's going on AI wise. Not that. Not that they're not looking at some of the other options. It's just that there's

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Harvey Green III: Where your data lives, matters

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Philip Sellers: So. You know I love that you mapped a thread through all 5 of these Jira, this, this that's really cool, and

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Philip Sellers: I think that you know it. It does paint the picture. That hybrid multi cloud is really the place that fulfills

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Philip Sellers: it's it's really really a cool story, and and something to look forward to in the future.

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Jirah Cox: I've really actually enjoyed reading these cliff notes. And then I went ahead and found the full study that we commissioned as well. You can just Google for it. The Lieutenics Enterprise Cloud Index. And it's so neat because it just dives in on all these topics, right? To much much greater depth.

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Philip Sellers: Yeah, that's awesome. So search for the

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Philip Sellers: how many pages was it? I've looked at it earlier and.

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Jirah Cox: The one I the one I found was actually was more like those kind of really awesome dynamic websites. That kind of, you know, change and graphics pop in as you scroll. So not not just yet. Another boring. Pdf.

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Philip Sellers: well, guys.

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Jirah Cox: Yeah, with your.

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Philip Sellers: Really, appreciate.

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Jirah Cox: I would get so much done.

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Philip Sellers: Well, Gyra Harvey, thanks so much for hanging out with me this afternoon. Talking about the hybrid multi cloud report.

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Philip Sellers: Thank you to

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Philip Sellers: everyone who joined us and listened to long as well. Hopefully, you take something away and maybe it it sparked a little, something of interest definitely look for more.

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Philip Sellers: You know this blog is out on newtonics.com slash, blog, and you can read all of the information. And and it's

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Philip Sellers: full entirety at the Enterprise cloud Index report

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Philip Sellers: so until next time, wanna say, thanks for joining us, and we will, we'll catch you on the Flip side.