Nutanix Weekly: A Breakout Year for Nutanix Container Management

Containers have become the cornerstone of modern application development, enabling agility, scalability, and portability across environments. Just one year ago, we launched Nutanix Kubernetes Platform (NKP) solution with a bold mission: to simplify Kubernetes® for the enterprise and make hybrid multicloud container management effortless.

Blog post: https://www.nutanix.com/blog/breakout-year-for-nutanix-container-management by Steve Carter

Host: Phil Sellers, XenTegra
Co-host: Jirah Cox, Nutanix
Co-host: Chris Calhoun, XenTegra

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Philip Sellers: Hello and welcome again to another episode of Nutanix Weekly.

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Philip Sellers: one of the many podcasts we produce here at Zintegra, it's content with context, we find the best content we can on the Internet. We add our real world context to things, discuss it and try to bring that knowledge to you.

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Philip Sellers: Thanks again for listening. My name is Phil Sellers. I'm your host for today. I'm also the practice director for Modern Data Center here at Integra. And so when we say modern data center, what we're talking about is something that's software defined. And really cloud native. So

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Philip Sellers: supporting that nutanix is one of our key partners. And so, as always on the podcast we have a few guests who help us unpack that knowledge so resident. Nutanix, architect, Gyra Cox

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Philip Sellers: is one of our good friends. Jayra, how are you doing.

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Jirah Cox: Good. I guess. I guess you could say I do reside here.

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Philip Sellers: Yeah, well, at least for the podcast cornerstone, right?

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: Yeah.

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Philip Sellers: And we're also joined with Chris Calhoun, who's a solutions architect here at Zintegra? Chris, how's life treating you.

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: Fantastic, glad to get the gang back together, and have a good conversation today.

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Philip Sellers: So I gotta say I'm waiting for the day when Chris goes something other than fantastic.

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Philip Sellers: I will be honest. I enjoy the optimism that this man brings to the room anywhere he goes. So I appreciate that about you, my friend.

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Jirah Cox: That'd be a very long wait.

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: Enjoy the time together, for sure.

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Philip Sellers: That's it.

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Philip Sellers: Well, today we're talking about nutanix container management and just containers in general. But we're reviewing a blog post here that's called a breakout year for Nutanix container management. It's written by Steve Carter, published on July 30, th

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Philip Sellers: and the gist of this article is that containers continue to be the cornerstone for modern application, development, and Nutanix has invested greatly

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Philip Sellers: in container strategy and making sure that there's an end to end solution in place. One of the key ways that Nutanix did. That was by the acquisition of d. 2 IQ. Or day, 2 IQ. Formerly known as mesosphere. It's been a stalwart in this new, relatively

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Philip Sellers: recent container management sort of story you founded relatively

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Philip Sellers: around the same time as Kubernetes mesosphere came out as an alternative

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Philip Sellers: to Kubernetes management, and then the company shifted focus and really has invested in building the open source around Kubernetes as a standard for container management.

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Philip Sellers: Jaira, I'm I'm really interested to hear your take on this. But

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Philip Sellers: the the news here in the article from Steve Carter is that you guys have been

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Philip Sellers: recognized by Forrester

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Philip Sellers: in their most recent wave report for multi cloud container platforms. You guys have been recognized as a leader. So top.

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Philip Sellers: right? Quadrant or or wave of their report.

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Philip Sellers: Right? Centric sphere.

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Philip Sellers: Yeah, exactly up upper, right? You, you guys have been recognized. That's that's a pretty big deal.

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Jirah Cox: Yeah, I think we were, of course, delighted to see it, and humbly grateful for the recognition. I know that the team working on Nkp, right? And and the D 2 IQ team

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Jirah Cox: have been hard at work right? Making sure that the product is, of course, top notch, but also deeply integrated into the platform. Right? So that. And I think that speaks to a lot of what

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Jirah Cox: Forrester is recognizing. Here is is that? Yes, of course it is containers. Yes, it's Kubernetes, but also some of the strengths right? That really put the wind in its sails is things like the simplified management, right? The ability to run decoupled with like infrequent access or a dark site deployment model, full coverage for things like container storage, test recovery for for the same, those things really give you that kind of well-rounded experience. Right it is.

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Jirah Cox: I don't know kubernetes plus plus. That's a gyrism, maybe. Don't Google, that

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Jirah Cox: not an official sanction term.

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Jirah Cox: but but it gives you what you need right to really help operationalize it in your environment.

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Philip Sellers: Yeah, and it's not your 1st foray. Into this, you know, there have been previous announcements, developments. Kubernetes has been part of the portfolio for a while.

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Philip Sellers: but we've gone from something that's.

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Philip Sellers: you know, a very narrowed, focused Kubernetes release to something that is more a platform. And I think that's a big part of this leadership.

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Philip Sellers: You've got something that can answer all the necessary questions.

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Jirah Cox: Totally. It's it's it's been an evolving space for quite a while. If you go back

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Jirah Cox: far enough, the Google Archives might even turn up things like a nutanix docker Plugin. Right? So so we've always been keeping our eye on the container space, I would say. And and you know, chasing the Puck following the Pucks, getting where Pucks going at various times, sometimes alongside, ahead of behind the Puck. A lot of spatial arrangements here between Nutanix and Pucks. But you know a lot of trying to be involved.

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Philip Sellers: Helping.

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Jirah Cox: Customers vend, you know, container platforms that they need right as part of their cloud platform.

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: Yeah, let me cut in here real quick and ask, Jaira, is that the extent of your hockey knowledge.

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Philip Sellers: Sure.

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Jirah Cox: Oh, that was hockey! Oh, dang.

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: Of course.

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: Yeah, it's a flattened bottle.

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Philip Sellers: Rather rather dense, and hurts when it hits you. Yes,

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Philip Sellers: no, I yeah, I think that's exactly it. Right? You you went from this understanding that Kubernetes is not a thing but an ecosystem. And and I think my own journey working with other platforms. Trying to take a infrastructure team and

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Philip Sellers: really figure out, how do we do this Kubernetes thing that we keep reading about? How do we make it real within our organization? Well, Kubernetes was just one of the many choices we were going to have to make. We were going to have to figure out what network Plugin, what storage. Plugin. What service, mesh we were going to do? How are we going to do? Ssl. And inspection and things like that inside of the

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Philip Sellers: the container ecosystem.

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Philip Sellers: and that's what Nkp brought so a year ago. Nutanix, excuse me, Nutanix, released its 1st fully integrated progression grade platform for Kubernetes.

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Philip Sellers: The Nutanix Kubernetes platform based on D, 2, IQ,

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Philip Sellers: yeah. The other part that I found interesting, too. Jayra, you talk about

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Philip Sellers: the integration. You know, a lot of companies in technology. They go out and they buy, and they try to integrate a company.

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Philip Sellers: and the results are varied. Not always positive. You know, that's also a piece of recognition. I think that Forrester is bringing to the

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Philip Sellers: the report is that you made huge investments through this acquisition. But then you really

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Philip Sellers: worked hard to kind of support that and nurture it and make sure that it got integrated at really key points in the infrastructure.

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Jirah Cox: I think that's I think that's what customers are looking for, right like

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Jirah Cox: people want to own a platform and not a

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Jirah Cox: a pile of point products that was almost alliterative. I was very close. A pile of point

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Jirah Cox: products. Yeah, it is 3. P's good, awesome.

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Jirah Cox: My, my brain's catching up. The that integration is what really counts right. That's what you need. You know, when you're in the escalation. You know, when you call support right like when I can call one vendor, and that vendor can cover everything from, you know. Firmware updates to the Hypervisor, to the storage fabric, to the storage services like Smb, Nfs. S. 3. Whatever my containers want to consume to the container platform

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Jirah Cox: with one phone call. That's easy like that. That sounds much more delightful than I could call 8 vendors right to get those things. But calling fewer sounds a lot better right, let alone it being a some vendor with great support.

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Philip Sellers: Well, and it's modular right? Kubernetes was designed to be modular. Nutanix is delivering something that answers every question, you know, throughout the stack, but you're not tied to that. You have choice still, at the end of the day, which is also a great thing.

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Philip Sellers: But that unified support that you're talking about is key Chris, I'm gonna throw it to you, I mean, do you have nightmares still going through compatibility matrices, and trying to come up with the right formula. This, this works with this product and this works with that product. And we have to have all these lines and hold our mouth. Just right?

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Philip Sellers: Okay.

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: I definitely have war stories of exactly that. I remember doing a a firmware upgrade on an exchange server and that exchange server

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: didn't last too long. So we had a man down. So basically, because of the little small asterisk at the bottom corner of this Rosetta stone of mirroring

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: products.

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: platforms, versioning, etc, to get the right version. There was a little asterisk that was missed. So yeah, I am very pleased that that is no longer the case, and I kind of feel like what we've talked about so far is exactly what Nutanix always does for the end user simplify the difficult technologies

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: and make them easier to manage, you know. And I think that that's really echoes in everything that Nutanix does. Obviously this acquisition was perfect for that.

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: instead of having to buy Point Product 1, 2, 3.

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: The idea here is, hey? If you've got a platform. This integrated and specifically with this announcement. I remember Jara, I think if it was last year, right after the next. It was a tighter partnership with Nvidia and hugging face. You know some of the key players in the area of

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: this type Kubernetes world. So I think that that was a big win there, too, knowing that this isn't just a separate offering. This is a true platform, Jared. Talk to me a little bit about that.

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Jirah Cox: Yeah, I mean, I was gonna make a a joke tying off of Philip's joke about, you know, nightmares and so forth, like, you know. Tell me, Chris, have the have the upgrade matrice. You stop screaming.

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Jirah Cox: Yeah, they're still here.

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Jirah Cox: That's how my brain works.

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Jirah Cox: And with that I have distracted myself. Sorry you were throwing to me. With what question.

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: Oh, you said that you could share, but I didn't know what you were sharing about. So let's start over rewind. Yes, matrices.

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: Yeah. Echo no nightmare shares.

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Jirah Cox: I think well and exactly right. And and how do I do it? How do I get from X to y? Right? Because continual governance is a is a absolutely mandatory

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Jirah Cox: component right? Like it's not something I deploy once I have to have continual lifecycle coverage for the entire thing, and even in Philip, like with your story, right? Working with, you know, how do we vend this to the business? That's not something even infrastructure can even decide on their own right, like app teams, have an outsized amount of influence on that kind of tooling and components of the of the stack there.

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Jirah Cox: So just because our stack is is, you know, I like to call it lightly opinionated right? If you don't have an opinion, we bring one that you can use, and it's perfectly valid. If you have a stronger one, we say yes, like, let's use yours instead, or on a cluster by cluster basis. Right? If you need to change out your ingress or your, you know, cost governance or your you know Cicd pipelines on a per cluster basis. That's totally fine. Right? You can tailor the stack

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Jirah Cox: to to the tooling that your your teams prefer.

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Philip Sellers: Well, and I want to take what you just said. So right across all of these I I call it the Sunburst Slide. If you've never seen it from Nutanix kind of covers all the different things. I think there's 12 different areas of Kubernetes

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Philip Sellers: where you can have an opinion of which project or which plugin you want.

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Philip Sellers: But this goes beyond just nkp.

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Philip Sellers: there's other things like nutanix, database, nutanix objects which also go to that same core need of your application developers. They need places to store data. They need places and databases to access to make the applications really functional. So you're also providing that in the ecosystem. So this goes a bit further than just an Nkp conversation. You've got the complete story. So you've got the complete story. If you want to do

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Philip Sellers: a Kubernetes deployment. But you've got the complete story. If you need private cloud in your data center.

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Jirah Cox: That's if you you know. Apologies to customers that have had me meet with them in person. You'll usually hear me say you know we're here to look, act, and feel like a cloud platform to the business, right? But you, as the cloud team get, you know, to own it if you choose to with Capex, and not have to be committed to opex, you can do that as well if you do prefer that and that needs as little care and feeding from you as the operations team

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Jirah Cox: as possible. Right? We always, of course. You know you're always in charge of when upgrades kick off because it's a private platform, right? You have to be in charge of when changes are happening. But it doesn't take an awful lot more than you as a as a practitioner, to just tell us what version you want to upgrade to.

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Jirah Cox: and we automate the process of how you get from X to y.

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Philip Sellers: Yeah. And and that's again to Chris's point, making it simple to consume simple to deploy and simple to get return on investment. So

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Philip Sellers: I know we don't talk about that a lot as infrastructure teams, because we all enjoy talking about speed speeds, features, and capabilities, but our business partners they want to see quick return on investment. They want to see efficacy of the dollars that they deploy either Opex or Capex, and so the the automation pieces

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Philip Sellers: go a long way towards making you look like the Rock star in your organization by getting these projects done in an expedited way.

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Philip Sellers: I'm trying to think what else we've got here from the Forrester report.

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Philip Sellers: you know, one of the quotes here Nkp builds on D 2 IQ. Strengths earning high marks and cluster lifecycle operations, especially seamless, non-disruptive upgrades. It also excels in edge deployments, including air gapped and intermittently connected environments.

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Philip Sellers: you know, that brings up some really interesting stories I've heard

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Philip Sellers: both cruise ships and Lane shipping industry, both utilizing more containerized applications on their boats. That intermittently connected

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Philip Sellers: sites across the world platforms in the ocean. There's a lot of things that we're starting to see containers 1st in those sorts of new use cases.

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Philip Sellers: as you're talking to customers. I'm curious about

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Philip Sellers: some of the places where this was really taking hold. I think you know, we've talked about fast food restaurants and mobile apps for fast food.

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Philip Sellers: What are some other great examples that are coming up from your discussions? Driver.

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Jirah Cox: the really all the above right, of course I mean mobility, right? If I need a cluster or a portion of my cloud that can literally travel around. You know. So on. Transportation industry stuff. Manufacturing, of course, is huge. Right? The the analytics. And of course the edge right if I can fit part of my cloud under someone's desk or under a cash register. That, of course, is very meaningful.

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Jirah Cox: and of course it plays into the strength of the platform. Right? Kubernetes, of course, is built to scale. Therefore it's actually pretty conceivable to get just enough Kubernetes at the edge to run a little bit of of compute and storage pair that up, perhaps even with inference. Right? Like, I want to be able to think about camera data or location data or

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Jirah Cox: or ambient things I can capture with sensors in the environment all the way into the data center, right? Where I would deploy actually, like, you know, line of business impacting applications right? And I can deploy more kubernetes there, so scales up, scales down seamless management across all of it. And I even do love Forrester's remarks here around helping customers. You know

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Jirah Cox: that want alternatives to public cloud services. Right? So there's a better together story, right? Of course, there's a great way to run Nkp in public clouds federating with public clouds, but also really offering that look we can be. It is a it is an achievable outcome to be the cloud team at a company these days and offer internal cloud services that really can hold their own and compete with public cloud

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Jirah Cox: services. Right? So that's more of a partnering with the business partnering with it versus a bypass motion. I think that's just healthier for everybody.

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Philip Sellers: Yeah, you know one of the things that I advocated for, and and I still believe this to be true. Kubernetes is is sort of dial tone.

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Philip Sellers: It's that base layer on which you can build now all the choices you make around, how that ecosystem fits together

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Philip Sellers: that's going to be your standard of operation. So you know.

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Philip Sellers: there are lots of choices for Kubernetes and public cloud.

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Philip Sellers: But there's also arguably a reason why you would want to run your own and control your own destiny in public cloud. On something like an Nkp, because again, to that point of you controlling when the software changes when it's upgraded. It's not done for you. For some enterprises. It's scary to think that their their substrate is just gonna get upgraded on its own with 0 control from it.

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Philip Sellers: You know that that definitely hits back to a lot of strong change control type organizations.

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: Philip, about the Sunburst slide. Nutanix has already got those integrations, and jare you said, hey? Look, if you don't have a choice, we've got one, and these are all validated

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: plugins. These are all validated technologies that work with

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: Kubernetes platform with Nutanix. And to me that's that's a benefit, too, from, we'll say, an engineer who is transitioning from the good old days of virtualization where they controlled the stack. It was Vm. It was back end storage. They knew exactly what the

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: the infrastructure was like to. Now more of Hey, this is. This person now has to transform their mindset and approach as a cloud engineer

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: where infrastructure is flexible. But it's also integrating these other technologies, too. And I think that that's the part that Nutanix does well again, making that integration with the networking which may have been in the past a separate siloed group. But in an infrastructure world where the lines are blurred. Now, as you move forward, those solutions, engineers and architects

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: helping to build full stack business solutions from end to end. And that's really the key. Is that

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: tight integration full stack

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: offering from Nutanix, and the portability of it being scaled down to under somebody's desk at a remote site to a large infrastructure hosted in a private data center. That's your own business, Cloud. You know. It doesn't have to be one specific model of a 1 size fits all. That's the flexibility that Nutanix has always added in their solutions.

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Jirah Cox: It's always a dangerous prospect to have a new thought while recording a podcast. But your dial tone comment there, Philip

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Jirah Cox: reminded me and that it meshes with with Chris's silos comment. I I kind of think it's been since the days of the mainframe

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Jirah Cox: that we've seen it having to partner so closely with the business, right

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Jirah Cox: all through all through. Kind of general Gen. Pop x. 86. All through virtualization.

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Jirah Cox: you know. Virtualization helped it

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Jirah Cox: do it shape things better and faster, and had dramatic impact and and awesome results for virtualization, for infrastructure, delivery itself.

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Jirah Cox: But the way that we thought about applications and and delivered applications and installed them didn't change

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Jirah Cox: to your point around Kubernetes dial tone. It's it's table stakes. It is because it's just at the risk of being reductive to all my all, my, you know, deep in the weeds. Cka, friends, it's it's the fashionable way to install applications, right? So like, if you're not if you don't support the fashionable way to install applications.

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Jirah Cox: Well, that's that's not a great report card right on on the team. And so that way that applications want to get installed requires a lot of collaboration. And it does just destroy silos. Right? We have to get more collaborative there. So it it naturally leans into all of that.

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Philip Sellers: Well. And there's 1 thing, Chris, as you went through your list of reasons why

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Philip Sellers: I thought of another reason why, and you know this is universal to open source

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Philip Sellers: support, support. Ability is such a huge factor in this, with so much new, so much

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Philip Sellers: potential to break. I mean, when you look at the Sunburst slide you've got a ton of Logos on here. There's choice which is great. But to a new infrastructure team coming to Kubernetes at the behest of their app developers.

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Philip Sellers: This is intimidating, and this is overwhelming. So being able to partner up with a company that's not only gonna give you an opinion, but also then help you support it. That's a huge step forward. I mean, it really is the Red Hat business model. At the end of the day. Right? They built their company around support. For open source.

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Philip Sellers: Nutanix is also a great steward in this particular area. They're working really hard with the Foundation and Cncf. And really trying to move Kubernetes forward and

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Philip Sellers: get things to a place where everything works cohesively together. So you know, having support from someone with the experts who are serving on the board who are developing what that future looks like. It's also a really

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Philip Sellers: what's the right word.

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Philip Sellers: I'm thinking of Linus and his blue Blankie. It's a it's a very.

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Jirah Cox: Security blanket. Yeah, it's it's it's open source with a phone number and a support portal. Not just you know, your best friend, Google.

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Philip Sellers: Yeah. And I mean, listen, could we do it? I mean, yeah, there are smart people. But there are smart people out there that can make these science projects work together and they enjoy doing it. It's a different thing to do it at Enterprise scale. It's a different thing to do it at

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Philip Sellers: at the risk of downtime and lost income.

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: No.

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Philip Sellers: I?

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Philip Sellers: I'm curious. Any other things that stand out. I think we've pretty much pulled apart this chicken, and

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Philip Sellers: we've just about eaten it all. Just just to keep that analogy going.

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Jirah Cox: You try to record a podcast podcast after lunch. But then sometimes you're just hungry all over again.

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Philip Sellers: Hungry again. Any any other tasty additions from you.

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: Tasty, tasty nuggets.

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Philip Sellers: Yeah. Any other tasty nuggets that you'd throw out there.

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Chris Calhoun | XenTegra: Hmm.

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Jirah Cox: We could record it pretty well.

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Philip Sellers: Crickets, anyway. All right. Well, guys, as always, I appreciate it. This is exciting. It's great to be recognized for the great stuff that you're doing. If you would like to see the Forrester report we're talking about, it's available on Nutanix's website. It's linked from the blog post we're talking about

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Philip Sellers: again. The name of that blog post is it's been a breakthrough year for Nutanix container management. It's written by Steve Carter. It's available@nutanix.com slash, blog.

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Philip Sellers: you should go check it out also, read the Forrester rave report that we're talking about.

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Philip Sellers: and last, but not least, thanks for spending a little time with us, me and my 2 amigos here. We've enjoyed it, and I hope you've learned something today because we both. I think we've all learned a little something from each other.

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Philip Sellers: Everyone have a great afternoon after

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Philip Sellers: lunch after breakfast, whatever it happens to be, have a great day, and we'll talk to you. The next podcast.