Nutanix Weekly: .NEXT Top Sessions

The dust has settled from the Nutanix .NEXT 2021 Digital event and we are thrilled with the outcome! Attendees were able to immerse themselves in the latest hybrid multicloud advancements that will help them digitize and transform their businesses, improve activity, deliver innovative customer and employee experiences, and gain a competitive edge.

There’s still time to catch up on all that you missed. As Ben Gibson, Nutanix CMO, shared at the inception of the event, this is .NEXT on Your Terms! Dress in your favorite leisure wear items and set yourself up in the coziest part of your home to delve into all that .NEXT has to offer you in the way of leading-edge cloud strategies and technologies.

Host: Andy Whiteside
Co-Host: Harvey Green
Co-Host: Jirah Cox

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Andy Whiteside: Everyone and welcome to episode 36 of new tactics weekly i'm your host Andy whiteside back in back in charge.

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Andy Whiteside: At least I got here on time.

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today.

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Andy Whiteside: And that's saying a lot, because I don't get anywhere on time these days.

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Jirah Cox: sees sees the leadership roles in technology parlance.

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Andy Whiteside: feel like tiger by the tail I know exactly what whoever came up with that same minutes.

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Andy Whiteside: So Harvey Green is with me Harvey is one of our solutions architects I think i've called you guys sales engineers forever, but I think it's time to call it solution architect will get divers opinion on on that here in a second Harvey how's it going.

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Harvey Green: pretty good I actually knew the podcast episode, this time.

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Andy Whiteside: How do you normally figure it out, because when i'm not here, I don't.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, I figure.

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Harvey Green: This time well last time I figured it out by actually going to the page and trying to count them out, so they weren't labeled in that way.

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Harvey Green: And this time I know because you corrected me last time.

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Andy Whiteside: When you say go to the page you go to our website, or you go.

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Andy Whiteside: To apple or I or what do you go.

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Harvey Green: Now the the back end page to.

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Andy Whiteside: The bus well.

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Harvey Green: yeah that's.

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Andy Whiteside: Okay yeah yes, the little that's the secret people don't know it, but probably just to get there, and it goes all the places you've told it to go.

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Harvey Green: yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: We got gyro with us jarrod Cox Eva he moved yet.

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Jirah Cox: We are actually as of now under contract as of this past weekend, so we know when we're going to be moved by so between now and mid January it's gonna get busy over here.

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Andy Whiteside: Mid January that's your that's your get out date.

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Jirah Cox: will be will be shown the door happily dissolving was our our idea anyway so.

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Andy Whiteside: and remind me you're moving to the raleigh area yep.

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Jirah Cox: yep we're gonna be in Chapel hill.

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Andy Whiteside: Okay i'll come see all the time i'm there a lot.

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Jirah Cox: sounds good.

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Andy Whiteside: drop all is dropped by.

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Jirah Cox: We have man let's do it.

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Andy Whiteside: What what's the driver to move, are you are you remote working is that the that's what everybody else is doing.

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Jirah Cox: Right, well, I already was, and still will be right, so my company was like okay that's cool thanks for let us know, like zero impact whatsoever, so no it's not a job thing.

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Jirah Cox: It will be closer to our east coast headquarters, but that's totally just coincidental now we've got family moving from the Austin Austin area to the raleigh area and so we're going to be closer to them.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah knots goods families extremely important and having that flexibility that I was in Morgan to North Carolina this weekend and apparently it's growing.

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Andy Whiteside: I didn't see it, but my people I was with solid or say it is, and I said well what are these people doing and they said, well, they just remote work.

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Andy Whiteside: And I my responses I get it, but or what about the need to hybrid work and how long would this remote work thing last I mean we talked about all the time when these podcasts but I mean, is it really going to be the world where the employee just picks where they live, now on.

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Jirah Cox: I think that's the employees desire slash expectation right.

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Harvey Green: yeah I think if it goes to simply that and just that a lot of other things would have to change.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah.

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Harvey Green: I mean stuff is simple as Oh, you know you think you're so smart right you you move to someplace that's going to be.

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Harvey Green: very cheap cost of living, you know so that you're still making the same thing, but you're out there, where it doesn't cost you anything but then you forget little things like Oh, I had you know awesome Internet over there and it's pretty terrible over here.

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Andy Whiteside: And then, what happens if you get caught up in that you know mass layoffs or you get let go whatever now.

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Andy Whiteside: Your next employer doesn't follow suit, with.

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Andy Whiteside: In Java this isn't saying that you're moving the Chapel hill North Carolina because you're that's that's you're getting closer to the mothership I don't think that was the intention, or at least the second biggest office, I believe.

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Andy Whiteside: that's probably even a better mood for you probably creates new career opportunities if you want them.

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Jirah Cox: it's even actually.

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Jirah Cox: I believe larger the larger support Center for us yeah yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, and the research triangle aka raleigh Durham Chapel hill is not a bad place to be for a techie.

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Jirah Cox: No it's certainly it's a fantastic place to be looking looking forward to it very, very much yeah but no, I think I think I mean you're highlighting some great questions right around mean society like culturally right we.

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Jirah Cox: The the remote work we're live anywhere, you want to pick your own hours totally not evenly distributed right across all jobs across all functions across all industries right so.

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Jirah Cox: yeah you're totally right that there will be questions around But what if X changes, then, then, therefore, why.

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Andy Whiteside: Right right.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, you guys, thankfully, and your great about it, the PIC the blog for us today that recap, some of the top sessions, from next because I believe you're going to tell me that they're now available online and we want people to know that there and go check them out right.

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Jirah Cox: They are but, but we can even segue that from you know the the conference from anywhere right along with the work from anywhere, so this was the This is yet another conference quote on your terms right so.

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Jirah Cox: Some really deep content deep knowledge available to you in your sweats and slippers right that probably wouldn't be up to the dress code of the average tech conference.

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Jirah Cox: If we had to attended in person, but you know, in the comfort of your own home, you can get some pretty good.

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Jirah Cox: pretty good education on some really good topics here that yeah to your point Andy totally all available totally all complimentary right so.

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Jirah Cox: So we wanted to advertise that it's out there talk through.

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Jirah Cox: What I think I think this is a pretty cool list of not just a way of reminding people what's out there, but also like here's what our customers are getting the most value out of right what sessions are actually.

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Jirah Cox: popular and what are people, given that freedom to attend, whatever they want to actually making the time to to sit through yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: So the the official blog name is next top sessions, and this was put together by Maya bibby and rose a tia or bhatia i'm not sure exactly how to pronounce it but they get credit we're just we're just talking about it.

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Andy Whiteside: So let's I think we've done a good job, introducing the concept, the first one that's listed here gyrus one click lifecycle management, for your H ci environment.

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Andy Whiteside: I mean, this is, this is what new tonics has been great at from early on and making not the only ones to make hdi work, but the only ones that do a great job of making that user user experience from an admin perspective flawless and easy from.

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Jirah Cox: The only two of the goals right.

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Jirah Cox: I was um I was highlighting for a team.

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Jirah Cox: The other week right like setting up sort of the won't affect new tonics.

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Jirah Cox: And like well you've heard us talk about.

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Jirah Cox: Our amazing support right that leads the industry and they had actually experienced this so it it resonated with them.

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Jirah Cox: But then i'm like well but that's not just like what you think of as your occasional hdi focus right it's not just storage, not just compute and, of course, even management like that goes both up and down right like firmware cluster expansions.

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Jirah Cox: You know how do I get new firmware on my Nick right to avoid you know some kind of published advisory around any new new firmware from the manufacturer, but up the stack to right like how do I automate deployment on the platform, how do I make a new database spring into life.

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Jirah Cox: And if you've been deployed postgres specifically with era, like how do I even get support for that database itself like that's like what could be like nine different vendors there that can be as few as one you know radical simplification.

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Jirah Cox: Radical consolidation right like I just I think I could call the channels for every bit of that stack right and that's a pretty pretty cool.

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Jirah Cox: proposition that right to say like not only is our support great, but it also covers probably more than you're realizing here when you think about it yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: I think in the beginning, when you guys were mostly deploying on top of vmware there was a lot of.

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Andy Whiteside: Talk about the number of vmware experts you guys have on staff and how you might she need one a real vmware to help you might find the best place to go is to new tonics on on that stack and getting help from guys who really know the V sphere, yes X world yes world inside now.

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Jirah Cox: we've got really smart folks I came I came here, knowing vmware super well and i've actually learned more while i've been here.

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Andy Whiteside: Bobby thoughts comments on lifecycle management and, that being part of the new tannic story.

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Harvey Green: I mean the the big one to me is how much that actually covers I mean i've had lots and lots of conversations around people who.

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Harvey Green: have wanted to do updates and they do updates and they update the hypervisor but then you know updating the hypervisor and storage and firmware and bios right that's normally a weekend for a lot of people right i'm not and not only a weekend, but a weekend of downtime.

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Harvey Green: And what's oh.

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Andy Whiteside: But the whole lot of hope, with a whole lot of hope and.

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Andy Whiteside: get it all right.

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Jirah Cox: What are you doing what are you doing during the week leading up to that weekend harpy.

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Harvey Green: you're planning the entire time right.

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Jirah Cox: Is that there's probably not just like a one pager on it right here's your customized.

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Jirah Cox: No cookbook for your environment.

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Harvey Green: I mean to any point you're you're doing a lot of crossing your fingers, because at the end of it if, for whatever reason, the update doesn't go all the way through.

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Harvey Green: You know you spend all your whole week planning for this planning for the downtime how much time was spent on hey what happens if this doesn't come back up generally not a lot.

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Harvey Green: yep.

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Jirah Cox: nope checking the matrices checking the order of operations right that's all that's normally a huge thing.

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Harvey Green: Order of operations oh man don't.

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Jirah Cox: get me started on.

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Andy Whiteside: If you're not careful, if you don't have this type of solution, it turns into a cl m career limiting move.

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Jirah Cox: yeah totally.

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Jirah Cox: Totally right that's that's, these are the way I I TEE it up is, if you did all those perfectly.

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Jirah Cox: that's still you're delivering business as usual right like you're fighting that you're human efforts are equal to like an automated process clearly an automated process, because we do that.

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Jirah Cox: Right and so, then so then your outcomes are either business as usual or risk right like some sort of outage caused or felt or a hiccup and it's like man, you know the the like why right like like like let's give humans more time to do better work.

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Jirah Cox: You know and and not make people spend time prepping doing monitoring or recovering from you know automated processes right.

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Harvey Green: yeah, this is another one that I fall under new tannic for your sanity and I know you guys are probably tired of me saying that this is one that definitely falls under that.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, and then one of the things that you would hope would be your normal your way to approach this would be doing testing on like for like hardware and configurations, and you don't have that in the real world, very often right.

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Jirah Cox: Tough very tough.

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Andy Whiteside: All right next line item or next time here deep dive into hdi getting to know the new tannic architecture, I guess we've been around so long, we just assume people.

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Andy Whiteside: understand the control vm concept and putting that on every node and and how the the the rights and redundant rights happen to resist really just making sure people understand the basics of new tannic hdi.

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Jirah Cox: yeah well and I agree with you it's it's about something that right like certainly the three of us i'll just assume oh yeah we know this and probably everyone else knows the two.

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Jirah Cox: I think it speaks to the the new kind of meetings we're having right like oh so you're in charge of.

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Jirah Cox: Now storage at your at your employer you're in charge of the private cloud initiative or you are internal databases right.

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Jirah Cox: People that traditionally have not been in the room, as we're doing our White boards as to how does he work, what does the cpm do How did the tedx do data replication and fail over and what do we do when when X.

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Jirah Cox: fails right because hardware on a longer timeline harbors going to going to fail right and, hopefully, we want to make that a non heartbreaking event.

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Jirah Cox: And so I think this speaks to as we're bringing these people into the conversation right now as admins database admins private cloud admins and architects.

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Jirah Cox: they're like wait you can't fix what right we've talked about I new era, I new column I new files or objects right tell me more about this underlying a os layer right, and how does that actually do what it does on the box.

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Andy Whiteside: That for me was the Aha moments, and then these application layer functionality pieces are just just icing on the cake.

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Andy Whiteside: Especially coming from a world of building yourself three tier back before that was even a term yep.

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Harvey Green: yeah for sure you know, we.

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Harvey Green: you've got this coming out of that next where you do the class on this for anybody who wants an even deeper dive and labs, this is what we, you know do for our workshop that I host every month.

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Harvey Green: Which of which the next one is December 1 so feel free to jump out there and sign up for that, too, hopefully watching this will get you can get your appetite wet for a little more knowledge and some hands on with it, I.

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Jirah Cox: I would never tell you how to do your thing hurry, but it sounds like if you're doing it on December 1 right like should get like a free admin calendar for attending right that's that's where my.

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Jirah Cox: An advent calendar right your they'll do the the chocolate countdowns to Christmas.

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Jirah Cox: i've got to have a caloric angles to everybody right.

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Harvey Green: Like countdown does sound pretty interesting though.

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Jirah Cox: A little doors open in the morning today.

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Harvey Green: No, I know what you're talking about.

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Harvey Green: haven't done one like that.

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Jirah Cox: yeah right I haven't done one since I was a kid at gyro Well, I can tell you i've already got mine bought so i'm.

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Harvey Green: ready I didn't say anything about it, since I was a kid I don't know that I did it did.

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Andy Whiteside: A lot of fun and.

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Jirah Cox: This is a the dog napping over here in my office has her own advent calendar that we're waiting to start.

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Harvey Green: At this point I got.

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Harvey Green: Plenty enough chocolate and candy left over from Halloween so but where's the House or the calendar.

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Jirah Cox: don't plan ahead.

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Andy Whiteside: So number three here is accelerating your public cloud journey which, with new tonics clusters, to be specific.

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Andy Whiteside: Obviously, a big part of the new tannic story, as you learn what new tonics has fundamentally done and then, knowing that that is a layer they can go right into the cloud we've talked about it a bunch of these podcasts but.

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Andy Whiteside: Certainly, knowing that your future is bulletproof as you start to think about going to clouds and coming back and vice versa, and and living between the clouds hybrid to be the the industry word.

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Andy Whiteside: that's another part of what you guys are giving people the opportunity to go back and relearn from next.

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Jirah Cox: Totally well and I think the I think the key word there is accelerating right like it's all about speed of delivery.

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Jirah Cox: I mean i've sat there and the customers right doing the PLC where it's like oh wait, we can turn this up how fast right like we just click a button here and and I get a new cluster.

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Jirah Cox: In any availability zone and I pick their in 45 minutes like this it's really ridiculously game changing in some ways right we it's it's well Harvey and I.

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Jirah Cox: We share a customer right who it affected their Dr strategy right where it's like wait when I can get more nodes on demand, I will actually sort of deploy less right like it was a you know they'll run their pilot light cluster they'll expand that cluster as they want to.

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Jirah Cox: onboard more users, if they do a desktop desktop fail over and rather than run a second pilot light cluster if they want to scale down a second cluster they're like no.

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Jirah Cox: I can, I can save that cluster up while my first 2000 users are ramping up on cluster one right it's that kind of speed is a real enabler yeah.

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Harvey Green: I think that is a great way to describe it to you, you run your pilot light and you know when you actually need it, then you flip the switch and boom, you know fireplace.

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Andy Whiteside: or wait three seconds boom fire happens.

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Andy Whiteside: that's the reality and that's.

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Andy Whiteside: You know that's that's the expected, but so much better and more revolutionary than the old reserve a bunch of hardware data some data Center somewhere that may or may not be up to speed when you need it yeah.

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Harvey Green: clusters, is a really cool topic we should probably address that in the podcast one day.

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Andy Whiteside: But I do want to well Okay, so you guys talked about the Dr Jared if i'm someone who's not involved to the level, I am, but even me.

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Andy Whiteside: When when I start talking about you can use clusters on azure or let's say intense close with aws here and then we're going to talk about next a deep dive in the building the hybrid cloud with new tannic clusters on azure what where does I fit into that.

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Andy Whiteside: Dr as a service counting.

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Jirah Cox: Totally I think.

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Jirah Cox: manage ability is the would be a key one right so like if it's if if the goal is.

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Jirah Cox: I want to have just Dr as a service, I want to build a call new tannic for yet again another layer in the stack right I just call them and they.

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Jirah Cox: Fully managed my entire Dr environment that would be die right, that would be the Dr as a service environments that we operate on customers behalf right available at the service pick your pick your number of vm so you want to protect and.

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Andy Whiteside: I don't know I just feel like we're all over the place these days is gonna be a big week here is integrity, a lot of leadership meetings and.

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Andy Whiteside: conversations to be had and it'll be fun it'll be good, but this week I feel like i'm just consumed into that any extracurriculars just definitely not going to happen, yes yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: Well guys thanks for joining in picking this blog and letting us review it with you, I always as always appreciate your time and very insightful, no matter whether we talking about stuff that's already happened, or whether we talked about futuristic things.

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Jirah Cox: Likewise, thanks for your time.

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Harvey Green: Absolutely appreciate it.

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Andy Whiteside: And with that we'll call it up so thanks guys.